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Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. You cannot paste images directly. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. I miss them sometimes, but the La Scalas, while not excavating the depths of low end response, still do a very satisfactory job. Paste as plain text instead,
Altec Midrange Horn System - Transform your Klipschorns As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies
Which midrange horn images the best Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. very different. Based on your location, we've changed your settings: GREAT!!! 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. excellent in a small room and in a big room, word of mouth and
Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?
Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] Log in or register to post comments; Do tell. You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. Be sure to try several listening locations. Studio monitor class. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . Sectoral horns only available for the A7's. Your previous content has been restored. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. Coytee, will you EVER stop pushing Jubilees? Anyway, I'm intrigued about what you said regarding changing/upgrading the mid squawker in the Khorn. Display as a link instead,
Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. It should outperform IME the Klipsch version (s) to a degree in that its rear-loaded horn is more defined rather than a simple slot at the rear of the cabinet.
Klipsch Klipschorn AK6 loudspeaker Page I don't have the Model 19's but do have the Model 18 with the 604 8H driver and prefer the mids over the Khorns.The mids are much smoother.I like the point source driver the best.
Electrovoice Aristocrat vs Heresy, vs Cornwall vs Klipschorn WebPassive crossovers built into the horn boxes, not sure if these are Altec. absorbers & diffusers -- or at least a few wall hangings and
My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great.
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Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns.
Altec i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain). The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. January 19, 2005 in Technical/Restorations. Looks like maybe 1940's vintage 2A3 tubes, too. Altec specs are also not necessarily useful. Given that he did, I thought he might want to know that as big of hammer that the Khorn is, there are in fact, bigger hammers out there. Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. I just got a pair of 19's after years of looking and they are just great. It might be hard to find a pair to listen to, but search the forum to see if somebody near you has them, and will let you listen. Your previous content has been restored. It was to prove that the 511b would go below 500 Hz down to 400. Not in my house)was directed at Arash, whom I was concerned had mistaken my words for arrogance & gloating over the expensive Jubs as being the one & only, "best of the best" . [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox.
The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response.
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Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch Cornwall | Audiokarma Home Audio This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. You cannot paste images directly. This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. The A7 (pictured here) is You need the Altec 511b horn instead. Fits standard Altec Drivers 1.4 3-bolt Dimensions 37 1/2" W x 19" H x 31" D Weight 30.5 lbs each unpacked. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. he builds a couple of different size tractrix horns. http://archives.telex.com/archives/EV/Speakers/EDS/Sentry III Series II EDS.pdf, http://www.leesound.com/bw_photos/page4.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. By []. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. Best Offer: I agree that the Khorns are good speakers, but I wonder if some of you are hearing the same 19s that I am hearings. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. It's as if the 511 was made for it! Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. Display as a link instead, 1420514048 Altec A7 What to do Hello all, a Friend of mine has had Altec Lansing A7's sitting in his basement for several years, just couldn't put them in his current room setting. Did he say why (in detail)? This is a win-win situation. You can post now and register later. When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. The owner had used them with 311-90 horns and some 288's.
Audiogon Discussion Forum "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?". BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. Al, Did you ever plot an Altec 808 in a K-400? I want him to try them out. Please. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. Both companies make speakers lots of people like. The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency Just a fun debate for me. Posted February 9, 2005. Item Information. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. Now whether that is something I have accepted and learned to live with over time or just naturally prefer I cant say, but I am fond of it. WebFind many great new & used options and get the best deals for Set of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets at the best online prices at eBay! They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. However- WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. I'm also thinking about replacing the T-35 tweeters with Beyma CP-25s. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. Upload or insert images from URL. You may want to slack off a little, so your positive comments regain an appropriate level of credence. I still think the best driver for the Khorn is the later K55V or K55M. It is funnyI have read this post before and I just spotted a pair of 19s in a local pawn shop todayI did not give it much though and then lau Here's the 1953 plans. well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. the altecs easliy go down to 30hz. I have put a lot of Labor The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are I have never heard the 19 pitted against the Khorn, but I agree that it is a very good speaker. Although I have had Khorns sound good
The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala - Vinnie - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum Altec Model 19 vs Klipsch La Scala Posted by Vinnie (A) on November 12, 2009 at 17:50:19 Wondering if anyone has ever had the oppurtunity to hear these two classic speakers side by side? Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Q-man and Rick are both excellent resources on this subject. especially with the wife tired of projects, it's a can't go wrong option! i'm currently using the one built as a drop in replacement for LaScala.
"Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?"
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Klipschorn vs Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! Happy to say more about the Jubs guys. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. The Beyma CP-25 is reputed to be a hands-down improvement over the stock EV T-35 tweeter. The Klipschorn Ak6 is a three-way, fully-loaded speaker with a greater than average sensitivity and size. ). It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. HERES Why Your Subwoofer is Bottoming Out (And How to FIX It!) I can't listen to the Klipsch for very long periods of time on SS. Free shipping for many products! For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? June 12, 2007 in 2-Channel Home Audio. I'll upgrade it with some Amphenol RCA and WBT binding posts and Mundorf silver-gold caps. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.
Well you'll see lots of guys around here modding their Klipsch speakers with various Altec compression drivers, horns and woofers but I've NE By ). In any case, you will want to experiment with
bookshelves or whatever to break up reflections. $12,000), the finish DOES matter to a significant degree. Dr Morbius: It looks like, as of June 2, you still haven't bought anything. Secondly, the altecs easliy go down to 30hz.
Posted January 20, 2005. dkalsi Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response. It weighs about 220 lb. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. Have fun with it. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install.
Altec Voice of the Theatre Interesting. These were Klipschorns, Jubilees and LaScalas. sounding Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT speakers for PA / band use or LARGE audiophile home audio system. You cannot paste images directly. Discussion in 'Speakers' started by timsclips, Sep 28, 2013. Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt Sorry. First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher I just got hold (next week) of some ALK B X-overs. Schu I replaced the stock Midrange Horn of the Khorn with a pair of 1005B Altec horns with 288-16K drivers. Naturally, keep all
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The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. IMO the Altec Model 19 was the best turnkey speaker ever made. Does it have to do with the dispersion properties of the horns? The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use.
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vs Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. The only comparison plots I did was of the K55 on an Altec 511b horn versus on a K501 (Belle) horn. This is a wonderful pair of Klipschorn Type AK-2 Walnut Veneer in Very Good to Excellent condition. I have never been of the opinion, that any speaker is best at everything, including my A7's. true obstructions (like the side of a bookcase, or other furniture 4
Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Yes, the 511 takes up the entire top front of the LaScala. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, Yeh. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Bloody awesome info! The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency projection over the A7-8, but both are less sensitive and capable of slightly less maximum acoustic output than the A5X. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. I have owned Cornwalls and Klipschorns and presently have a pair of Altec Lansing Model 19s. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. Off the topic, I have just bought a pair of Gradient SW-63s, a pair of dipole subs specifically designed to accompany Quad ESL-63s. It has much more bass than the Heresy, is more WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Last edited: Apr 26, 2022 This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. I said that because any time anyone mentions obtaining Klipsch on other forums, you ALWAYS mention Jubilees if you post in the thread. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. Hey, I don't mind Coytee mentioning Jubs, but I spoke with a Klipsch technician and he said for my sized room 12' x 15' and 10' high (with the Khorns on the 15' wall) the Khorns would be the better fit sonic wise over the Jubilees. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. The original K55 is still good enough though. heard them, though. feet or more from any corner in which there are Khorns. Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. Artto and Cask, if you have not already done so. could you say more about your experience with jubs? Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. It's futile. I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Add to cart. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and One nice thing about this dilemma is that if you buy used speakers of this quality at a reasonable price, you can live with them for a few months or years and get most or all of your money out of them when you sell them. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences.
I will always love my altecs. Display as a link instead, In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca.
Altec A7 Voice of the Theater VOTT Speakers - Altec horns Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. Price is set at $7499 each and they are available in natural cherry, satin black ash, and American Walnut finishes. this can result in this site earning a commission. You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Upload or insert images from URL. Spec sheets are not as helpful as they sometimes seem. Biggest Improvement I made in Audio in over 30 years when I Installed these. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. Many may know that I've been building for about 35 years. Was that a tough job fittin' them in the Khorn???
Altec 604 coaxial - 2-Channel Home Audio - The Klipsch Audio I would like to get pair of commercial K-horns. Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? Display as a link instead, It would have to be mounted externally. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. i guess i need to take them out , since they are so well thought of. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by murphythecat, Oct 17, 2016. 19 thread, []. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. While the Khorn spec sheet shows it going down to only 33Hz -- actually 34 or 35Hz on spec sheets of some vintages, and the Altec sheet shows 30 Hz, I ran Room EQ WIzard on my Khorns and they were about -3 dB at 30 Hz, and extend to about 22.5 Hz at - 10 dB. I built him a set of MTM's and delivered them for Christmas. Clear editor. Hell I'd love to have a pair of each. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828.
3 way vs. 2 way Your link has been automatically embedded. Edit: Just found 4 on e-Bay, if the price stays low enough might pull the plug on three. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. No mean feat. IMO, PWK's most significant contribution, really a triumph in audio, was the K-horn. Affiliate programs and I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. wouldn't suggest that any BRAND of So I took the best of both worlds.
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Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. ). If the WAF is a problem, consider covering the big horn mouthes with grille cloth.
Comparing Altecs to I tested them using some Altec CDs and also K-55 and Selenium D-250X. Paste as plain text instead, We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install.
Klipschorn mid range upgrade The box defines the woofer horn, so the only part left Khorns have surprisingly high WAF. What driver would you recommend for the 511B horn? bluesboy Truth be told I've never listened to a pair of Khorns but I do have the Cornscalas and am blown away by their openness and clarity so, along with my HH Scott amp and Empire turntable connected to the new Khorns.well let's say I'll be a very happy man - and the wife too as she loves the sound of the Cornscallas as well as how the Khorns are set into the corners of the room.
Price: US $4,000.00. The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn".
klipsch Versus Altec Lansing - The Klipsch Audio So triumphant in fact that JBL, Electrovoice, and Vitavox all bought license and based some of their own "statement" loudspeakers on the K-horn. They are HUGE and so is their sound. I've been building a small collection of Altec, JBL, Klipsch, and Dukane speaker drivers and complete speakers. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. I haven't
Others have different opinions that are just as valid. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. List price was $599; list price of the A7 was $299.40. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you The driver on my 511B horn is the Altec 808-8a CD. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. Therefore, of course I agree. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. Hey! You won't regret it! Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. They have been in storage for the last 20 years, this pair But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. on the Khorn, there is plenty of room on to the side of the tractrix horn for just about any tweeter you'd want to use. technical data seem to indicate the Jubs would be better. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I do NOT recommend that combination. They claim 800hz crossover and are fully functional with attenuation knobs on them. He was thrilled. I can't wait to hear this setup! Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. They all sound good and they're all different. The 19s go beyond 20k with the original diapgragms in them.
1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's
KLIPSCH or ALTEC ? | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Including the guy who had $500 and was thinking of Fortes. DM Quote CaptnBob Altec horns most certainly shout, just like any other, perhaps even more so. July 7, 2009 in Technical/Restorations.
If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting.
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Altec A7 I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. Powered by Invision Community. For the record, I bought an original set of Altec A7-500s in 1968, and they are still my main speakers - modified, of course. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! In listening to the A7 in one corner, and the Khorn in the other, I felt the Khorn was warmer and brassier, while the A7 was colder.
too different .. to compare
the KH drops ton's of mid detail the 19 present's eloquently
the KH produces bass performance the 19 Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. They pioneered two way design and were the industry standard in recording studios for years. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Your purchases also help protect forests, including trees traditionally used to make instruments. I know Al K. is using them on his Belles for sure. What do you recommend? to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. The classic Altec and JBL 2-way horn systems also crossed-over low, generally at either 500 or 800hz. What crossover frequency were you planning on using? I'm thinking of building a set of two way CW-like speaker using 811-b horn and 816-8 altec woofer (we can call it 811-Cornscala). There will be a reasonably integrated inpulse response compared to the Auditorium 23 and the Klipschorn where the tweeter leads the mid by so much. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. He has them in a very large room and they sound very nice as it is, but there is definitely room for improvement. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance.
I currently own both. They both do differnt things well. I have to say that if I put the amount of money into the Altecs that I have in How about a University SA-H?
Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. "The weak point is that K501 and K401 horn itself!". yes It was built here. Dorsey knows cinema sound inside and out, and in this article he shares his personal thoughts about these highly valued horn designs, and provides valuable tips on how to restore them.